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Re: East Timor article by Shalmali
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Emilia Pires
To: Shalmali Guttal
Cc: j.chavez@focusweb.org
Dear Salmali and Joy
No way.... I like you still and I really appreciate us being friends..... I value your friendship and the time you put to come to East Timor when we needed you..... I hope that even now you can still help us find afair and just solution for East Timor....
I am sorry if I sounded irritated in my comments.... I did not mean to take it out on you.....
Indeed we (my friends and I - that small crowd that left our homes and rushed to Xanana's side to help rebuild our country) are all very sad with what is happening in East Timor..... Everyday we think and think about what has happened...... because we are insiders..... we know the weaknesses of our leadership.....Xanana is not blameless here either..... very often he allowed things to happen because he was not hardenough...... we all learnt a number of lessons..... on one side we learnt that if you want to be in politics.....you cannot be just goody goody....... just loving your people is not enough....... a leader may have to beruthless with his colleagues for the sake of the little people...... and that is the hardest part for me to swallow.....
By being the goody goody..... Xanana was taken over by an ambitious and unscrupolous crowd of peoplewhose heart was not out for the majority of the people but for only one part of the population so that theycould cement their own power base...... this is what Mari did..... him getting that majority vote in theFretilin congress was no more no less a vote from the pockets..... Mari successfully established what we all know as the patron-client relationship in his power base.... so if he gets out.... the others will fall....hence all are looking out for themselves and they forget the little people they are meant to represent.....
Dear Shalmali.... the evidence is clear..... the Parliament did not get elected democratically.... It was a transformation from the Constitutional Assembly and that is why during the time of crisis they were the first ones to disappear from the scene.....
Tell me Sahlmali and Joy..... if you are supposed to represent the people..... why do you have to hide fromyour own people? The fretilin always claimedthat they have the majority of the people..... if I recall carrectly they also won the majority of the votes in Dili..... how come the Fretilin face did not appaear at all to calm the Dili population down? Why does it have to be Xanana all the time? I balme UN for allowing a group of people to hijack democracy in East Timor. Mari used his legal skills to undermine the building of a Constitution which would have suited East Timorse people..... After 25 years the poor people were tired and they wanted peace..... they even went to the extent of trying their hands at reconciliation.... another thing even I did not fully accept but if the Government had done their job in tryingto secure food on the table for the people and jobs in the speed paralleled to the reconciliation process....we may have not had this crisis..... People would have been busy rebuilding their lives....
Instead the government was too busy cementing their power basis..... they took for granted the people'swar fatigue to carry out some of their agends which were only benefitting themselves...... Tell me Shalmali....in a poor country like ours..... when 25% of school children do not access schools, whenhunger still occurs during those 3 months of the year (something that has happened for many many yeras)... when 41% of the people live under the poverty line of $0.55 per day..... how come thegovernment invests on rebuilding beautiful houses costing each $150,000 for all the ministers and vice-ministers....buying very good cars when you are only travelling in Dili..... 1st thing the parliamentarians did in their first parliament session was to raise their own salaries..... all the ministers and vice-ministers already have higher salary compared to the little people..... so why do they need to get more fringebenefits when 41% of their colleagues are not even getting %0.55 cents per day?????
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Can you give an answer to these questions? In my mind a true national economist or whatever the title.....even a true communist would have done what Xanana did..... he said I will not prioritise my office in terms of rebuiling it to the luxury standard that Mari did his.... I prefer to see that the people have houses first.... and food on their table..... True!!! Xanana had all the right ideas but he did not know how to negotiate with the International community...... Why not? becuase he was constantly undermined by his own colleagues like Mari and also Ramos Horta..... this latter was more in terms of galvinating around the world.... looking for what I do not know..... as all the aid discussions were already taken palce in the country.... if you see my point.....
And another reason why Xanana was not able to negotiate properly was because he did not surround himself with a good team..... He should have done what Lee Kun Nhu or whatever his name did in Singapore.... but instead he gambled and gambled wrongly..... he wanted the people of East Timor to see what Fretelin was really like.... except Mari was also very clever in using the international community to cement his power base via documents like the Constitution which now everyone claims to be a very good document..... there is also another story about how the constituion was drafted in terms of participation from the people.... too long for me to go into it now..... suffice it to say that the Constitution was left vague in many aspects on purpose for Mari and his cronies to fill in with internal regaulations as they saw fit,
etc., etc...
Anyway dear Shalmali and Joy.... the problem is that these little things do not come out in the light and they were the cause for this mess..... the role of the international community has been and always will be what we all know..... you cannot blame Australia for fighting for their own intereests.... US likewise...... If we want to be independent.... we better know that we are deciding to enter this world where dog eats dog..... so what do you do????.... you cannot be so naive to say that I want to be the leader and then you lead us astray and others come in and take over and you still refuse to go when YOU HAVE LET US
DOWN...... you did not protect us.... for goodness sake!!!!.... What were you doing in all these hundreds and hundreds of closed doors meetings where you and your so called VIP colleagues were meeting to discuss our best interest???? and what do we get after 4 years of your ruling????..... we get to be refugees again living in the water front too scared to go to our own homes which we built WITHOUT
YOUR HELP thank you very much...... (you here is for the govt,OK?)
So you see Shalmali and Joy...... who shall the people of East Timor be angry with????? Be angry with the foreigners who really would not have come in unless our so called leaders asked for it???? and even now you see Mari being escorted by the ausie oldiers. Who is he scared of???? Of the people he marginalised with his own style of government?????
Anyway.... I am so tired now..... sorry for another outpouring..... Shalmali.... you are a very good writer...and you and I have had these discussions many many times..... and yes I know you as an outsider cannot ask to for Timorese leaders to step out..... all I am saying is do not help shift the blame......
Re: East Timor article by Shalmali
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Emilia Pires
To: Shalmali Guttal
Cc: j.chavez@focusweb.org
Dear Salmali and Joy
No way.... I like you still and I really appreciate us being friends..... I value your friendship and the time you put to come to East Timor when we needed you..... I hope that even now you can still help us find afair and just solution for East Timor....
I am sorry if I sounded irritated in my comments.... I did not mean to take it out on you.....
Indeed we (my friends and I - that small crowd that left our homes and rushed to Xanana's side to help rebuild our country) are all very sad with what is happening in East Timor..... Everyday we think and think about what has happened...... because we are insiders..... we know the weaknesses of our leadership.....Xanana is not blameless here either..... very often he allowed things to happen because he was not hardenough...... we all learnt a number of lessons..... on one side we learnt that if you want to be in politics.....you cannot be just goody goody....... just loving your people is not enough....... a leader may have to beruthless with his colleagues for the sake of the little people...... and that is the hardest part for me to swallow.....
By being the goody goody..... Xanana was taken over by an ambitious and unscrupolous crowd of peoplewhose heart was not out for the majority of the people but for only one part of the population so that theycould cement their own power base...... this is what Mari did..... him getting that majority vote in theFretilin congress was no more no less a vote from the pockets..... Mari successfully established what we all know as the patron-client relationship in his power base.... so if he gets out.... the others will fall....hence all are looking out for themselves and they forget the little people they are meant to represent.....
Dear Shalmali.... the evidence is clear..... the Parliament did not get elected democratically.... It was a transformation from the Constitutional Assembly and that is why during the time of crisis they were the first ones to disappear from the scene.....
Tell me Sahlmali and Joy..... if you are supposed to represent the people..... why do you have to hide fromyour own people? The fretilin always claimedthat they have the majority of the people..... if I recall carrectly they also won the majority of the votes in Dili..... how come the Fretilin face did not appaear at all to calm the Dili population down? Why does it have to be Xanana all the time? I balme UN for allowing a group of people to hijack democracy in East Timor. Mari used his legal skills to undermine the building of a Constitution which would have suited East Timorse people..... After 25 years the poor people were tired and they wanted peace..... they even went to the extent of trying their hands at reconciliation.... another thing even I did not fully accept but if the Government had done their job in tryingto secure food on the table for the people and jobs in the speed paralleled to the reconciliation process....we may have not had this crisis..... People would have been busy rebuilding their lives....
Instead the government was too busy cementing their power basis..... they took for granted the people'swar fatigue to carry out some of their agends which were only benefitting themselves...... Tell me Shalmali....in a poor country like ours..... when 25% of school children do not access schools, whenhunger still occurs during those 3 months of the year (something that has happened for many many yeras)... when 41% of the people live under the poverty line of $0.55 per day..... how come thegovernment invests on rebuilding beautiful houses costing each $150,000 for all the ministers and vice-ministers....buying very good cars when you are only travelling in Dili..... 1st thing the parliamentarians did in their first parliament session was to raise their own salaries..... all the ministers and vice-ministers already have higher salary compared to the little people..... so why do they need to get more fringebenefits when 41% of their colleagues are not even getting %0.55 cents per day?????
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Can you give an answer to these questions? In my mind a true national economist or whatever the title.....even a true communist would have done what Xanana did..... he said I will not prioritise my office in terms of rebuiling it to the luxury standard that Mari did his.... I prefer to see that the people have houses first.... and food on their table..... True!!! Xanana had all the right ideas but he did not know how to negotiate with the International community...... Why not? becuase he was constantly undermined by his own colleagues like Mari and also Ramos Horta..... this latter was more in terms of galvinating around the world.... looking for what I do not know..... as all the aid discussions were already taken palce in the country.... if you see my point.....
And another reason why Xanana was not able to negotiate properly was because he did not surround himself with a good team..... He should have done what Lee Kun Nhu or whatever his name did in Singapore.... but instead he gambled and gambled wrongly..... he wanted the people of East Timor to see what Fretelin was really like.... except Mari was also very clever in using the international community to cement his power base via documents like the Constitution which now everyone claims to be a very good document..... there is also another story about how the constituion was drafted in terms of participation from the people.... too long for me to go into it now..... suffice it to say that the Constitution was left vague in many aspects on purpose for Mari and his cronies to fill in with internal regaulations as they saw fit,
etc., etc...
Anyway dear Shalmali and Joy.... the problem is that these little things do not come out in the light and they were the cause for this mess..... the role of the international community has been and always will be what we all know..... you cannot blame Australia for fighting for their own intereests.... US likewise...... If we want to be independent.... we better know that we are deciding to enter this world where dog eats dog..... so what do you do????.... you cannot be so naive to say that I want to be the leader and then you lead us astray and others come in and take over and you still refuse to go when YOU HAVE LET US
DOWN...... you did not protect us.... for goodness sake!!!!.... What were you doing in all these hundreds and hundreds of closed doors meetings where you and your so called VIP colleagues were meeting to discuss our best interest???? and what do we get after 4 years of your ruling????..... we get to be refugees again living in the water front too scared to go to our own homes which we built WITHOUT
YOUR HELP thank you very much...... (you here is for the govt,OK?)
So you see Shalmali and Joy...... who shall the people of East Timor be angry with????? Be angry with the foreigners who really would not have come in unless our so called leaders asked for it???? and even now you see Mari being escorted by the ausie oldiers. Who is he scared of???? Of the people he marginalised with his own style of government?????
Anyway.... I am so tired now..... sorry for another outpouring..... Shalmali.... you are a very good writer...and you and I have had these discussions many many times..... and yes I know you as an outsider cannot ask to for Timorese leaders to step out..... all I am saying is do not help shift the blame......
TIMORESE LEADERS were responsible for this...... it is UNFORGIVABLE what they did to lead us to this situation..... People trusted them.... we all did for goodness sake.....
Even I placed my trust in Xanana..... I though he knew how to lead us..... although when I was with him I used to advise him to take some ruthless action, ruthless in terms of using his popularity to secure the election..... the top seat of government and surround himself with some good bureaucrats for a few years to rebuild the country before allowing it to go into the hands of other politicians..... to play politics...... I believed that it was better to be a bening dictatorship than jump straight into democracy..... which they did..... and Xanana would not have been a dictator as we all know..... many people who voted for Fretilin at the time of CA did so believing that Xanana was still in the Fretilin..... here again I blame the UN.... for not ensuring communications systems were set up so that everyone could be really well informed....
So now I see this current situation as a blessing in disguise to rectify the evils which we allowed to happen..... your warnings are not bad to ensure whoever comes next is aware of it,...... but my fear is that people will start blaming everyone else and not look deep into our home where the roots of the problems lie...... until these are acknowledged and addressed with honesty and humbleness.... East Timor will never have a peaceful future...... so if we are going to leave it in the hands of people like Mari..... I can tell you right now.... I would support integration with Australia.... at least the management of the country will be under some really managers and the ausies will know how to enusure our people gets their 3 feedings a day and some decent housing.... and I am sure some good roads, good telephone communications, will know how to read and write, etc... etc.... the price to pay is that you no longer call yourself East Timorese.....
Joy and Shalmali do not share these comments with others.... I am telling you this becuase at the end of the day.... I don't want Timor to be like an african country where you have leaders so well dressed up and flying first class to attend these UN and WB meetings in NY or Geneva or Davos or anywhere when their people back at home cannot read and write, do not have food to eat, die of some deaseases which have been eraicated in many other developed countries....and all that for what???? may I ask???? so that I can call myself East Timorese?????.... then I say No Thanks.... I would like more discussions on this latter thinking of course...... look at us.... most of the time we live in someone else's country..... I have to speak for myself..... I hold several nationalities and I have no internal issues about it.... to me POVERTY is and should be our foremost enemy..... not nationalities..... afterall the World is for everyone...... more and more borders are being broken excpet here in Palestine of course..... another stupid Israeli and Palestinian mistake.... the Berlin wall has gone.... the Chinese Wall is more for tourists than anything else.... and so what is more important???? to be completely independent (which we all nknow is a fcition) and live in poverty or to have some sort of reasonable livestyle where your children can survive childhood.... and enjoy their grandparents who can live longer lives..... where your parent can go to work proudly and earn our daily bread with dignity instead of forever begging..... etc...etc.... All I want is not cheat others of the opportunities I enjoyed..... allow them the chances and then let them decide what they want to do later on.....
OK OK... I am rumbling now.... but this is my thinking.... and I sure wish one day we can meet and talk about all these issues.... right now I better rush to get this donor meeting going.....
Big hugs to both of you....
Emilia
On 6/14/06,
Shalmali Guttal
wrote:
Dear Emilia,
Hope you are well my dear. My laptop crashed last month and I lost all my email addresses. That is why I asked Joy to send you the article.
Thanks very much for your comments on the article I did. I appreciate your comments and will try and incorporate them as best as I can. I could actually sense your irritation and frustration as I read your
comments...
My big dilemma is how much I should write about internal stuff between Gusmao and Alakatiri... You have shared your views about them to me before, when we were in East Timor. But its different for your to say them and for me to say them, being an outsider.
I cannot in any article ask that Mari be ousted--or any Timorese leader be ousted.... Nor can I put the blame whoseale on the Timorese being corrupt, etc. The little time I spent in East Timor watching the
UN and donors does not make me agree that they can be let off the hook... But then you and I have had these discussions before, right?
I'll send you the next version and hopefully that will be more palatabale to you.
How are you otherwise? I have thought about you quite a bit in the pats few months, with the Palestine situation becoming more and more volatile... And now Fatah and Hamas are killing each other. Israel must be so happy, also the US. I hope you are safe. Howm long will you be in Palestine? And where is home these days? Do you go back to Dili, or do you go to Melbourne?
I am in Cambodia now. have been living hereal for about 9 months now though i still travel a lot. Very scary what is happening here. I hope East Timor does not go in this direction... Anyway, do keep in
touch. And I hope our differences about who should be in power in East Timor will not affect our
friendship.
Take care, love, Shalmali
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From: Emilia Pires [mailto:pires.emilia@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:28 AM
To: j.chavez@focusweb.org
Subject: Re: East Timor article by Shalmali
Hi Joy
Yes it was a very pleasant surprise to get your email.... I have thought about you many times but time just seemed to fly and one minute I was doing one thing and the next another that I never really found time to dedicated to my good friends....
Even I placed my trust in Xanana..... I though he knew how to lead us..... although when I was with him I used to advise him to take some ruthless action, ruthless in terms of using his popularity to secure the election..... the top seat of government and surround himself with some good bureaucrats for a few years to rebuild the country before allowing it to go into the hands of other politicians..... to play politics...... I believed that it was better to be a bening dictatorship than jump straight into democracy..... which they did..... and Xanana would not have been a dictator as we all know..... many people who voted for Fretilin at the time of CA did so believing that Xanana was still in the Fretilin..... here again I blame the UN.... for not ensuring communications systems were set up so that everyone could be really well informed....
So now I see this current situation as a blessing in disguise to rectify the evils which we allowed to happen..... your warnings are not bad to ensure whoever comes next is aware of it,...... but my fear is that people will start blaming everyone else and not look deep into our home where the roots of the problems lie...... until these are acknowledged and addressed with honesty and humbleness.... East Timor will never have a peaceful future...... so if we are going to leave it in the hands of people like Mari..... I can tell you right now.... I would support integration with Australia.... at least the management of the country will be under some really managers and the ausies will know how to enusure our people gets their 3 feedings a day and some decent housing.... and I am sure some good roads, good telephone communications, will know how to read and write, etc... etc.... the price to pay is that you no longer call yourself East Timorese.....
Joy and Shalmali do not share these comments with others.... I am telling you this becuase at the end of the day.... I don't want Timor to be like an african country where you have leaders so well dressed up and flying first class to attend these UN and WB meetings in NY or Geneva or Davos or anywhere when their people back at home cannot read and write, do not have food to eat, die of some deaseases which have been eraicated in many other developed countries....and all that for what???? may I ask???? so that I can call myself East Timorese?????.... then I say No Thanks.... I would like more discussions on this latter thinking of course...... look at us.... most of the time we live in someone else's country..... I have to speak for myself..... I hold several nationalities and I have no internal issues about it.... to me POVERTY is and should be our foremost enemy..... not nationalities..... afterall the World is for everyone...... more and more borders are being broken excpet here in Palestine of course..... another stupid Israeli and Palestinian mistake.... the Berlin wall has gone.... the Chinese Wall is more for tourists than anything else.... and so what is more important???? to be completely independent (which we all nknow is a fcition) and live in poverty or to have some sort of reasonable livestyle where your children can survive childhood.... and enjoy their grandparents who can live longer lives..... where your parent can go to work proudly and earn our daily bread with dignity instead of forever begging..... etc...etc.... All I want is not cheat others of the opportunities I enjoyed..... allow them the chances and then let them decide what they want to do later on.....
OK OK... I am rumbling now.... but this is my thinking.... and I sure wish one day we can meet and talk about all these issues.... right now I better rush to get this donor meeting going.....
Big hugs to both of you....
Emilia
On 6/14/06,
Shalmali Guttal
Dear Emilia,
Hope you are well my dear. My laptop crashed last month and I lost all my email addresses. That is why I asked Joy to send you the article.
Thanks very much for your comments on the article I did. I appreciate your comments and will try and incorporate them as best as I can. I could actually sense your irritation and frustration as I read your
comments...
My big dilemma is how much I should write about internal stuff between Gusmao and Alakatiri... You have shared your views about them to me before, when we were in East Timor. But its different for your to say them and for me to say them, being an outsider.
I cannot in any article ask that Mari be ousted--or any Timorese leader be ousted.... Nor can I put the blame whoseale on the Timorese being corrupt, etc. The little time I spent in East Timor watching the
UN and donors does not make me agree that they can be let off the hook... But then you and I have had these discussions before, right?
I'll send you the next version and hopefully that will be more palatabale to you.
How are you otherwise? I have thought about you quite a bit in the pats few months, with the Palestine situation becoming more and more volatile... And now Fatah and Hamas are killing each other. Israel must be so happy, also the US. I hope you are safe. Howm long will you be in Palestine? And where is home these days? Do you go back to Dili, or do you go to Melbourne?
I am in Cambodia now. have been living hereal for about 9 months now though i still travel a lot. Very scary what is happening here. I hope East Timor does not go in this direction... Anyway, do keep in
touch. And I hope our differences about who should be in power in East Timor will not affect our
friendship.
Take care, love, Shalmali
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From: Emilia Pires [mailto:pires.emilia@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:28 AM
To: j.chavez@focusweb.org
Subject: Re: East Timor article by Shalmali
Hi Joy
Yes it was a very pleasant surprise to get your email.... I have thought about you many times but time just seemed to fly and one minute I was doing one thing and the next another that I never really found time to dedicated to my good friends....
Even now I thought I better just send you a quick reply as I am in the middle of meetings with donors and Palestinians, etc..., etc.... Yeah I ended up here in Palestine working on donor coordintaion with the World Bank. Am about to finish now and go home in 2 days..... can't wait..... Started this email at workd and now am in the hotel and just finished reading Shalmali's article..... Thank you for being so nice to East Timor..... I have no major comments about it except for a few points:
1) Who shot at theunarmed police under UN protection? I had understood it was our FFDTL itself, not the so called rebel soldiers.
2) This business of calling rebel soldiers has a negative connotation but it seems like noone else has a nicer name to be given to those who had enough courage to satnd up and say enough is enough to our own leaderships.
3) Even when I was in Timor, Mari's style of governemnt and way of treating the timorese who were not of his political colour was begging for trouble.... Between us.... one reason apart from the pragmatic one for me to get out was that if I had stayed I certainly would have joined forces with the rebels..... that is all I can say at the moment....
4) I agree that all these foreign forces or external governments may have their own agenda.... but the buck stops within us..... If the govt had behaved in a more decent manner, if they did not allow so much corruption to take place, if they had minimally respected local customs, if they did not just concentrate on themselves and disributed a little of the peace dividens betwee th emost poor..... we may not have reached the crisis we are now in....
5) Xanana was not in a position to do anything for those who went to complain to him..... Mari made sure of it by drafting such a beautiful constitution which went against the people's aspirations..... and which undermined the figure of Xanana. Our poor people only knew about their Big Brother who led us through thick and thin, who gave up his life and went to jail to ensure Timor eneded up free...and what does this great "economic nationalist" do when he, thorugh a lot of manipulation assumes power via Fretilin? He makes sure that the President's position is so weak that Xanana became powerless to help his people.
6) You need to analyse the road to power that Mari went through to understand what has happened... In my humble opinion.... what is happeing now in East Timor is a blessing in disguise to reveal that all this macheavilical manipulation of Mari backfired on him..... he miscalculated the Timorese people's patience and I can tell you.... it took ages for the people to break down and do what they did...... any other people would have revolted a long time ago....
7) I can understand what Shalmali is doing to help East Timor... but standing by East Timor does not mean that you need to paint a nice picture about our leaders and shift the blame to others...... NO..... what has happened in East Timor is our fault.... noone else...... we were given all the opportunities to make it happen..... but in our own greed for power and rivalry between ourselves and to a certain degree shelfisheness on the side of people like Horta who preferred to be outside the country more often than not instead of challanging what Mari and
his cronies were doing.... that is what led us to where we are now.....
8) Anyway dear Joy..... I am sorry for given my opinion but we are friends and so I am sharing my feeling with you..... I hope mari is removed from the scene and as far as I am concerned it has got nothing to do with Australia and Portugal and whatever.... it has to do with him not being the right person to lead East Timorese people..... there are many ways to get to Rome and this business of nationalistic whatever is out of date..... one needs to live in this day and age..... and try to position the country is such a way so as to get as much as one can for our people...
9) I do not buy this rhetoric of nationalism to the point where people continue to be poor.....there are many miracles in south east asia which we could have emulated to bring our people out of the current poverty and that does not mean we have to nationalise everything..... it meant we had to know how to negotiate deals which could bring a win-win situation for everyone.....
10) Sorry dear Joy..... i better go to sleep now as it is 1.20am..... take Palestine..... another very difficult case..... and here you can see clearly the US and everyone else intervention..... it does not compare to Timor.... we had a free ride I assure you....and we messed up by ourselves..... if US behaved the way they behave here in ET.... goodness me!!!... i would not like to see what our reaction wouldhave been
Anyway.... goodnight for now..... sorry about this long outpouring..... catch up next time when am less stressed out.... ah ah ha
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Take care and say hello to your hubby.....
6/13/06,
Jenina Joy Chavez
<> wrote:
Dear Emilia,
Were you able to get my first email?
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Anyway, here's the article I told you about. Shalmali wrote it, and it will be posted on the web and distributed to friends very soon, maybe tonight.
Please let us know what you think.
Best,
Joy
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Aid Management Specialist
The World Bank
West Bank and Gaza Country Office
P.O.Box : 54842, Jerusalem
Tel: +972 2 236 6500 ext 263
Mob: +972 54 693 5212
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Emilia Pires
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The World Bank
West Bank and Gaza Country Office
P.O.Box: 54842, Jerusalem
Tel: +972 2 236 6500 ext 263
Mob: +972 54 693 5212
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1) Who shot at theunarmed police under UN protection? I had understood it was our FFDTL itself, not the so called rebel soldiers.
2) This business of calling rebel soldiers has a negative connotation but it seems like noone else has a nicer name to be given to those who had enough courage to satnd up and say enough is enough to our own leaderships.
3) Even when I was in Timor, Mari's style of governemnt and way of treating the timorese who were not of his political colour was begging for trouble.... Between us.... one reason apart from the pragmatic one for me to get out was that if I had stayed I certainly would have joined forces with the rebels..... that is all I can say at the moment....
4) I agree that all these foreign forces or external governments may have their own agenda.... but the buck stops within us..... If the govt had behaved in a more decent manner, if they did not allow so much corruption to take place, if they had minimally respected local customs, if they did not just concentrate on themselves and disributed a little of the peace dividens betwee th emost poor..... we may not have reached the crisis we are now in....
5) Xanana was not in a position to do anything for those who went to complain to him..... Mari made sure of it by drafting such a beautiful constitution which went against the people's aspirations..... and which undermined the figure of Xanana. Our poor people only knew about their Big Brother who led us through thick and thin, who gave up his life and went to jail to ensure Timor eneded up free...and what does this great "economic nationalist" do when he, thorugh a lot of manipulation assumes power via Fretilin? He makes sure that the President's position is so weak that Xanana became powerless to help his people.
6) You need to analyse the road to power that Mari went through to understand what has happened... In my humble opinion.... what is happeing now in East Timor is a blessing in disguise to reveal that all this macheavilical manipulation of Mari backfired on him..... he miscalculated the Timorese people's patience and I can tell you.... it took ages for the people to break down and do what they did...... any other people would have revolted a long time ago....
7) I can understand what Shalmali is doing to help East Timor... but standing by East Timor does not mean that you need to paint a nice picture about our leaders and shift the blame to others...... NO..... what has happened in East Timor is our fault.... noone else...... we were given all the opportunities to make it happen..... but in our own greed for power and rivalry between ourselves and to a certain degree shelfisheness on the side of people like Horta who preferred to be outside the country more often than not instead of challanging what Mari and
his cronies were doing.... that is what led us to where we are now.....
8) Anyway dear Joy..... I am sorry for given my opinion but we are friends and so I am sharing my feeling with you..... I hope mari is removed from the scene and as far as I am concerned it has got nothing to do with Australia and Portugal and whatever.... it has to do with him not being the right person to lead East Timorese people..... there are many ways to get to Rome and this business of nationalistic whatever is out of date..... one needs to live in this day and age..... and try to position the country is such a way so as to get as much as one can for our people...
9) I do not buy this rhetoric of nationalism to the point where people continue to be poor.....there are many miracles in south east asia which we could have emulated to bring our people out of the current poverty and that does not mean we have to nationalise everything..... it meant we had to know how to negotiate deals which could bring a win-win situation for everyone.....
10) Sorry dear Joy..... i better go to sleep now as it is 1.20am..... take Palestine..... another very difficult case..... and here you can see clearly the US and everyone else intervention..... it does not compare to Timor.... we had a free ride I assure you....and we messed up by ourselves..... if US behaved the way they behave here in ET.... goodness me!!!... i would not like to see what our reaction wouldhave been
Anyway.... goodnight for now..... sorry about this long outpouring..... catch up next time when am less stressed out.... ah ah ha
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Take care and say hello to your hubby.....
6/13/06,
Jenina Joy Chavez
<> wrote:
Dear Emilia,
Were you able to get my first email?
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Anyway, here's the article I told you about. Shalmali wrote it, and it will be posted on the web and distributed to friends very soon, maybe tonight.
Please let us know what you think.
Best,
Joy
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Emilia Pires
Aid Management Specialist
The World Bank
West Bank and Gaza Country Office
P.O.Box : 54842, Jerusalem
Tel: +972 2 236 6500 ext 263
Mob: +972 54 693 5212
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Emilia Pires
Aid Management Specialist
The World Bank
West Bank and Gaza Country Office
P.O.Box: 54842, Jerusalem
Tel: +972 2 236 6500 ext 263
Mob: +972 54 693 5212
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